March 16th

tigernate2 · Super Spammer Joined: Jan 07, 2005 Posts: 1254

I was gonna write some today about Terry Schiavo and her impending death when her husband had the hospital stop keeping her alive, but the words just werent there. Maybe I can combine them with this little bit I wrote for an online friend.

Jack Palance, when asked"Was it hard to play a killer?" replied "Not really, you don't have to kill somebody to know what it's like." I read this in the paper this morning while waiting on the computer shop to open so they can fix my broken computer. Only 15 minutes so this will be short.

I guess I write in somewhat the same manner. There are just dreams I follow in my writings. Some friends inspire me, instill feelings which I have been able to transform to words that I try to form into coherent poems or prose. I wrote a dark lonely poem lately about what it would be like to be a vampire. It seemed a good way to express aloneness, pain, and the feeling of despair. Like anyone else I am not always full of smiles and roses. I just try to not let it show.

A friend of mine is going through a hard time. Bad relationships have a way of taking a toll on a person's psyche, happiness and strength. None of us, I think, are immune to this. Hopefully she will be able to move past this time, into somewhere that appreciates and loves her. I do not really know her, just the side she shows. Everyone shows what they feel comfortable with, expresses themselves differently. This last year I have found my voice, hopefully she will find hers.

OK its like 930 am and the shop is opening now. Take Care

Nate

P. S. I do not know if Terry is still alive. She is an amazing person, but it seems there is no hope for her life now. Hers is a most truly sad story. The link is up on the news here from this morn or yesterday. I am not sure where I stand on the Right To Die fight that was taking place just that I find life precious and we shouldn't waste it whenever possible.

pretzy · Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 7:28 am Post subject: Re: March 16th

here here nate indeed dont waste a single day, none of us know when our time may be up or someoene we love will be taken from us.

tell your friends they matter, you may not see them again. live each day like you mean it, keep your chin up and as much as you can keep smiling, it really does help, and it makles ppl wonder what you've been up to Tongue

Kitts · Advanced Spammer Joined: Dec 29, 2004 Posts: 1115

Nate, was that the lady in florida?

I heard something about it..not sure if it's the same thing. Honestly, I think if the parents are still alive and willing to take care of her it should've been up to them. They are the ones that raised her and loved her. They wanted her alive. She may have been brain dead, but apparently she was still coherent. And for that reason I don't think they should have turned off life-support. But that's just me *shrugs*

tigernate2 · Super Spammer Joined: Jan 07, 2005 Posts: 1254

they say she can live for another two weeks without the feeding tubes. The congress here just voted on the right-to-die argument. I don't think that will matter, the courts here are seldom there to over turn themselves. I donot know the answer. If someone I loved told me that they would rather die than stay on a machine for the rest of their lives then I guess maybe I could side with the husband, but I think I agree it should be up to more than just him. It seems a lil insensitive of him to ignore her parents wishes. It seems like he has given up any hope for her. Well I guess that maybe I would feel different if I were faced with the same thing, but I dont think I could give up on anyone I was married to. I hate to think that his main reason was himself. Well if any prayers escape my lips tonight they will be for her, one way or the other.

Nate

Kitts · Advanced Spammer Joined: Dec 29, 2004 Posts: 1115

Well, from what I've heard he has a girlfriend and one or two children with that woman. So..I think he should just divorce her and let her parents deal with it as they wished. She has some type of fortune because whatever reason she was on life-support was the doctor's fault..so she got a settlement. So if it's for the money..I hope that man rots...I do hope that it is because it's too much to see her suffer though.

If I was in the situation...I honestly don't know. I remember watching Steel Magnolias and when they took Julia Robert's character off life support..and I just couldn't imagine ever being able to do that to someone I loved. I'd feel like a murderer. But..if they were so sick and were able to say they just wanted it to end..I don't know. It'd be like assisted suicide then. I pray that I'll never have to make such a decision..

I hope whatever happens to her she's in a better place..and that everyone involved did it for the right reasons.

Aussie_Woman · Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 8:50 pm Post subject: Re: March 16th

It's very hard to make decisions regarding the one's you love and their welfare. I remember when I was 14, my mum and her siblings had to make that choice with their mum (my nana). She had been hit by a car and was on life support. The Dr's said she had severe brain damage. What a choice to make. One I don't think any of us can fully understand until put into that position. One I hope I never have to make.
In regards to that woman.... I don't see how her husband had the right to make such a call. If they were seperated, it should have been the parents call but like everything.... red tape bullshit allows these stupid rules so legally if they wern't divorced, he did have a legal say.

Dr's can be known to be wrong too. I know this is a different circumstance here but when Matt was 4 he was diagnosed with Autism. We were told that basically he wouldn't have speech and that we would have to learn sign language. He wouldn't be able to do much at all... Just exist. Well he defied them all. It was hard work and still is but he has great communication skills, is self sufficient for his age and even has an opinion. He is very loving verbally, emotionally and physically... something Autism is not associated with. I guess it really depends what you want to put into it and how strong you are to cope with what you want.

Deleted_User_27 · Semi Advanced Spammer Joined: Jan 08, 2005 Posts: 696

2 b honest with u all since im such a teary mum i tend 2 try 2 steer clear of all these issues, i get 2 imotional, but in this case whether its the husbands choice, whether its the parents choice is all irrelevant from the way i see things, everyone elses wants and desires should b put 2 the side and a decision should b based on what she may have said in regards to anything happening to her! i know i made sure that my power of attorney knows that if something happens to me and my quality of life is going to go down the tubes and b a burdon on anyone more so than it should b, i want the machines off, if i cant feed myself or toilet myself or communicate in anyway i want to b let slip off in2 the night and have everyone remember me for who i was not the person i was becoming or had become. thats just me tho! *shrugs, in regards to the parents being a parent i can totally understand where they r coming from in wanting to keep her alive, but as a parent myself if i had to make that decision for any of my kids in the same type of circumstances id rather end their suffering now rather than later and remember their happy smiles and laughs rather than indure another many something years where all the happy memories seem 2 drift out the window.

tigernate2 · Super Spammer Joined: Jan 07, 2005 Posts: 1254

Will someone please stop this. It sometimes gets to where I do not want to see the news, but I must to watch for the rays of hope. A teenage american indian in Red Lake, Minnesota killed nine people and then himself. I do not understand this. The reports on Yahoo say he shot his grandparents then went to school and just started shooting people. Seven teenagers were killed there. Is this a lack of respect we instill in people to not care about life and death. Do we demystify death so much that it is not something to fear? I was in a pretty good mood today. Walking around with an air of confidence about who I am and what the world meant to me, i.e. the ones I love and care for. I am listen to a song sometimes by Kasey Chambers called I Still Pray. I know all of you dont follow my beliefs and I do not expect you to, but I recently have bonded with my relatives who have much more faith in something greater. Much more than I have. The song has an original version I could not find the lyrics for. I will transribe what she sings.

Dont want to read the paper.
I dont like bad news.
Last night a man got shot
outside the House Of Blues.

I'd like to ignore it
I'd like to just pretend
that the reason for it
is something I can comprehend.

I dont listen to the radio
last time it made me cry
two boys went crazy
fifteen kids died

I dont know their families
I dont ask them how their going
their on the other side of the world,
but its way to close to home.

I got something to say
and I thought it might be worth a mention
if you are not pissed off at the world
then you are just not paying attention.

you can turn off the tv
and go about your day
just cause you dont see it
dont mean its gone away

we don't talk to our neighbors
they've got funny coloured skin
we see them out on the sidewalk
but we dont invite them in.

we only eat when we are hungry
and we throw the rest away
while babies in Cambodia
are starving everyday

we risk our lives
we hit our wives
we act like
everything is funny

we hide our pain
while we go insane
we sell our souls
for money

we curse our moms
we build our bombs
we make our
children cry

we watch the band
while Vietnam
just watched
their children die.

I got something to say
and I thought it might be worth a mention
if your not pissed off at the world
then your just nopt paying attention

you can turn off the tv
and go about your day
but just cause you cant see it
dont mean its gone away.

it wont go away
it wont go away
it wont go away
it wont go away
it wont go away
it wont go away

Make it go away.

Aussie_Woman · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 12:34 pm Post subject: Re: March 16th

Yes Nate we heard of this tragedy today. I believe 15 students were injured too. It certainly is something to think about especially when you send your children off to school thinking they will be safe. I don't even think about them being in this sort of danger but it certainly has opened my eyes to what can happen.

Midgy..... I agree. I would want the machine turned off as well and thank you because I didn't consider this until you brought it up. I will now do something about it. In regards to my kids in that situation...I really don't know...As much as I want this myself and have thought about the situation with making that descision with one of my kids. As hard as it would be to let go, I know it would take some time before I came to realise that it was the right thing to do but for for holding on.... I wouldn't want to see them in any pain as well so yes I would do the same. I think I will close on this subject...Kinda hard to even think about.

shaker · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 12:38 pm Post subject: Re: March 16th

god .... i never post replies on these kind of things because i know i have strong views ... but that song nate your right it wont go away and the reason it wont go away is because like it or not this IS life.
I dont read the paper and hardly watch the news because i dont see the point.

Who are we to make judgements on peoples lifes and to debate on wether or not this man is right.
Why do people have to drag all this kinda of stuff through courts and have family fueds...
behind all this media bullshit and hype there are really people who seem to be forgetting that this women is a person wether she is hooked to a machine or not shes still a person, and i think that before they make any kind of choice on wether she gets to live or not, they should think about her and what she would want.....